Burton Snowboards: Control Denied

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Much of big-business still hasn’t caught up to, or educated themselves in new media, its power, and its differences, and soon it’s going to be too late. As a “magazine guy” I’m a bit sensitive to advertising’s stranglehold on editorial. It has always existed, but as magazines continue to struggle to survive in a world with too many advertising options, it has only gotten worse over the last few years. So much so that advertisers can and do demand editorial control.

I barely snowboard, and I don’t even really like snowboarding. I suppose it’s fun, and I like looking at the photos, but beyond that, whatever. That being said, YoBeat.com, one of the largest independent snowboard sites, shares a studio space with me in Portland, and I work closely with the site. In our office, as media people, the site is a gauge of how people use the internet and experiment in media, as much as it is a content outlet. It’s teaching us a lot about how things have changed and where they are going. In my opinon, you can’t work with clients in a new media capacity unless you truly understand how real people use the internet (not just pretend to be an expert and read studies of current trends).

So, how the media works is of great interest to me. I like it. I also like the fact that new media has changed a lot of things. While admittedly new media is riding a merry-go-round of how to make money, it does benefit from smaller scale, lower overhead operations like YoBeat, who can reach anyone with a computer around the world. Opinions and content are no longer limited to 150 pages once a month, distributed to 40k people. The reach is nearly limitless. And while sites like YoBeat currently depend on advertising revenue as print did, brands also benefit hugely from involvement with them, and by cost comparison standards, very inexpensively. But the catch for advertisers is, that smaller overhead, larger audience, and immediacy give these new media outlets much more control to say “fuck you” to advertising control. They’re gaining crowd control and advertisers are freaking the fuck out.

I would argue that we’re reaching a point where media (media with an established niche audience) will have more control than potential advertisers. With too many doors out there, brands are going to need people backing them. There are countless sites online, but a small percentage with value. These days, essentially anyone can start their own media outlet. And a niche site with a regular audience is a huge value to a brand. These brands can save money over old world advertising, and reach larger audiences on a daily basis. So with this new (I believe soon-to-be) power, brands have less room to make demanding content controlling phone calls.

What is the point of this? Recently Jake Burton (owner of Burton Snowboards) held his annual Fall Bash at his compound in the Northeast. It’s a party, a fucking party. It’s an invite only event (the invite being a glossy postcard hyping it up as if it’s a Hollywood party) but at the same time it’s far from exclusive. I mean, shit, YoBeat got invited. So Brooke from YoBeat flew across the country to attend, and because YoBeat is media, she wrote a story about it. A sarcastic story. That’s what YoBeat does. The site is called YoBeat: Making fun of Snowboarding. But the story in no way slammed Burton, or made them look bad. It would have drifted off the main page in a few days. If you have a party in 2009, a big party, someone is going to write about it on the internet.

That’s where things take a turn for the worse. One of Burton’s subsidiary brands, who advertise on YoBeat, called demanding the story be removed. Allegedly, someone was concerned about losing their job for inviting Brooke. That person did nothing wrong. Nor did Brooke (The story would have faded into obscurity were it not for an anonymous hater from inside Burton’s ranks, which we’ll talk about in a minute). They made demands and pulled the ad contract bullshit that every company has used as their gateway to controlling the print media for years.

In the interest of saving a friends job, Brooke pulled the story down. It had nothing to do with advertising demands, and I even suggested it be put back up right away to alleviate those accusations. In the meantime, hate comments were being left on the story (which we’ve verified to have come from inside Burton’s office). Nothing of a valid business sort, but comments calling Brooke fat. In otherwords, a waste of Burton’s company time. Since anonymous comments are in fact, not anonymous (IP addresses are fingerprints folks), it was very easy to see these attacks were from inside Burton without using their own names. Bold to anonymously hate, right? Fortunately someone else picked up on the original story before it was taken off YoBeat so you can see the whole thing here or even here.

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Brooke then went on to write a blog on her personal site about the current state of the media on her own site. It’s by no means a new topic, and doesn’t mention Burton, but again, the Burton anonymous commenter began dragging the brand through the mud. Making Burton look like a bunch of Social-media challenged nitwits, and making it very clear that the original story should have stayed up in the first place. Somehow, not only had Burton made a small-time story that would have gone away a big deal, they had made a blog about the state of the media into a comment battle about Burton. They brand-bashed themselves.

Instead of being a transparent, modern brand, Burton had its insiders posting anonymous hate comments all over YoBeat and Brooke’s blog. A great use of company time, and an obvious tarnish to the brand.

The point of this is that brands need to realize that new media is different, and the nature of it is such that brands can’t control it. Quite frankly they’re scared shitless and the panic this whole thing caused Burton is an obvious sign of that. But when it comes down to it these brands are ultimately (still) going to need the media down the line. So what do they do? They’re losing control.

The fact is that brands and media can work together to benefit each other without one expressing control over the other, and in a sport like snowboarding that’s how it should be. This shit is supposed to be fun, and shouldn’t be governed by demanding phone calls and threats.

I would suggest that brands like Burton get on top of new media sooner than later, as this PR disaster was created completely by the company itself. A little bit of education in evolution of media can go a long way. When it comes down to it, 2009 is a time where people are posting anything and everything on the internet as it happens. They’re Twittering, Facebook updating, blogging on Posterous, and more, many times right from their cell phones at the event. To host an event, invite the media, and expect it not to be mentioned (which by the way seems like a GOOD thing to just about everyone who read that YoBeat post) is a little bit ignorant, and quite frankly counterproductive. And if you absolutely must not have it mentioned by said journalists, perhaps notifying them before they fly cross country is sensible? Make sure the event is embargoed. Come on now, guys. Get on it.

Other blogs are also talking about this, including this one.

Update: Former Olympian and Omatic Snowboard’s owner Todd Richard’s chimes in on this subject in an amazing Q&A over on YoBeat.


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YoBeat: Making Fun of Snowboarding Since 1997 » Features Latest Stories » Feelings with Todd Richards added this brilliant insight on Oct 07 09 at 9:17 pm

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[...] from what they believed was Comune’s IP address. A similar thing happened last month when Yobeat.com’s Jared Souney called out Burton employees for posting anonymously to the Yobeat.com [...]

Online Feuds: When Comments Count at Boardistan added this brilliant insight on Nov 17 09 at 3:03 pm

nice one. I like how you explained the situation from beginning to [hopefully] end.

its embarrassing for Burton to have a bunch of people from the company write ridiculous comments “anonymously” while on the Burton server

traveloutloud added this brilliant insight on Oct 07 09 at 4:45 pm

#1 Snow gangsters are the worst. #2 The SECOND Burton made their own “outlet” stores and took money away from ma and pop stores they lost all of their credibility. #3 You can get Burton at TJ Max and Costco. #4 Snow gangsters are the worst.

micah k added this brilliant insight on Oct 07 09 at 5:02 pm

It sounds like possibly the reaction to the original article was because Brooke was given a pass and THAT might have caused someone a problem? The article didn’t paint Burton in a bad light, in my opinion, since we can assume Burton has money. Big deal. Snowboarding is somewhat a glam sport (again my opinion).

To be honest, I didn’t really get her article. I didn’t find it entertaining at all. Maybe it’s an insider thing?
~J

Jeremy Wilder added this brilliant insight on Oct 07 09 at 9:07 pm

Jeremy, That’s the point. The article wasn’t that great, and yes, the humor was very inside. The point is that hardly anyone would have given a shit if Burton hadn’t fucked it up for themselves.

jsouney added this brilliant insight on Oct 07 09 at 9:18 pm

They really called Brooke fat? WTF! She’s not fat at all!

Jamie added this brilliant insight on Oct 07 09 at 9:50 pm

Jamie, hah yes, someone from Burton’s IP address. Which is incredible really.

jsouney added this brilliant insight on Oct 07 09 at 9:52 pm

I worked with Burton to produce a movie… a real feature film that was supposed to shine a light on the core of what snowboarding is all about: passion, rebellion, skill, fun, etc.
Once the deal was done though, the minutia was kicked down to the marketing peons at Burton. It promptly became an overblown Shaun White Olympics piece of corporate masturbation. I quit the project because it had become so lost and quiet frankly, beyond redemption. Burton is a great brand that recruits locally for all the “right” reasons. Unfortunately for them these local employees deal with a brand and issues that are global in scope.
It is a shame and I wish the best to Jake Burton, but that company has nitwits in the ranks.

Todd Seligman added this brilliant insight on Oct 07 09 at 10:48 pm

You nailed it on the head with this one. The internet medium has changed everything whether it’s a big snowboarding site like yobeat or a shitty blog where some kid is bagging on a product. I went through the same situation last fall, the repercussion I faced though was potentially losing my day job that had no affiliation with my blog.

If anything you guys have given Burton a reality check that was long over due and much needed.

Angrysnowboarder added this brilliant insight on Oct 08 09 at 10:45 am

this happens all over the place when journalism and advertising dollars are intertwined (hey i know everyone’s gotta eat). we just happen to have seen it showcased a few times in our wonderful lil world of snowboarding. like many things, both sides have their side of the story. who’s right? i don’t know as i blacked out.

hoon added this brilliant insight on Oct 08 09 at 10:46 am

Hoon, my first art direction job was for a fashion magazine, prior to working for Transworld, and in all honesty OTHER industries like fashion/lifestyle are far WORSE than the worlds of Snow, BMX, and Skate. To a level of embarrassment.

But yes, the point is that things have changed with new media. Full steam ahead.

Also, to the Burton employees: Thanks to the 21 of you that have visited this post so far, spending an average of 11:23 seconds on the site and visiting 5.23 posts! If you don’t work in the marketing dept, Jake want’s his money back for that time.

jsouney added this brilliant insight on Oct 08 09 at 12:37 pm

this thing is hilarious, you guys are like terriers trying to shake something to death. i love how you guys think you are important at all, some sort of ‘social media” that anyone gives a fuck about, you claim “burton” decided to hate spam your blogs, guess what? “burton” doesn’t give a fuck but some employee there did. get over yourselves, no one would miss any of your idiotic blogs, you haven’t damaged burtons rep at all because 99% of people don’t read this shit. yobeat isn’t funny at all and never was.

dooche added this brilliant insight on Oct 08 09 at 11:30 pm

Dooche,

“Burton doesn’t care” is an incredibly ignorant statement. As of 8:56pm this particular post has 93 views from Burton’s internal servers. So you’re right clearly they haven’t noticed. And then there’s the internal emails about this whole thing on their end. Maybe you didn’t actually read the part about how this whole thing started: a demand to pull the YoBeat story because an employee was concerned about getting fired. So right, they don’t care. Burton did give a fuck, because Burton employees freaked out directly. Then one of them blew it by going over the higher ups heads and making anonymous comments which we then simply traced.

Jake Burton doesn’t care, that’s true. Jake wouldn’t have given a shit about the original story, nor should he. By most accounts he’d probably be stoked on it. But his minions thought they’d exercise some sort of power under his name and make demands. So we made a statement about it, plain and simple.

This particular post (on this blog alone has 2300 page views), not including the views on Brooke’s post, and the YoBeat story (which is back up by the way). Snowboard company owner/former Olympian Todd Richards has a column talking about it on YoBeat. But you’re right, no one cares.

As far as it being Burton employees and not “Burton,” every employee of Burton represents the Burton brand, from the receptionist, to the marketing reps, to Jake himself. Any statements made from their machines, are statements that reflect on that brand. Honestly, what is the point of expressing an opinion (yourself included) without signing your name to it? There is no point. So from the lack of name, it must be assumed that it’s an all inclusive Burton brand statement.

Whether or not you like YoBeat is one thing, but it’s an undeniable fact that it’s become one of the largest snowboard sites out there from a viewership perspective, so clearly someone’s digging it.

The only downside to this whole thing is that Brooke didn’t shit on the pool table. But I guess you haven’t heard the stories about past years where big names pissed in Jake’s kids rollerblades? Yes, its horrible. I don’t condone it at all. But testament to the fact that not everyone is buying in.

Yeah, keep drinking the Burton Cool-Aid, plenty of Pro snowboarders have already pissed in it. I mean, shit, you must not care, since you took time out of your day to read about it, AND comment on it.

jsouney added this brilliant insight on Oct 09 09 at 12:03 am

I should mention that I sent an email trying to interview Tomas, who is allegedly the anonymous shit-talker from inside Burton, but for some reason he didn’t respond to my interview questions? I hope he didn’t already get fired. I only have his Burton email address, and I would like to confirm that it’s really him. I mean, I’d like to send him a free t-shirt for increasing all our web traffic AND making Burton look awesome in the process.

I wouldn’t have alleged this publicly, but his friend dooche made me realize the people are stoked and we should keep this going.

jsouney added this brilliant insight on Oct 09 09 at 1:46 am

Hey Jared, great post. I think though that this hot mess highlights the fact that co’s like Burton are not properly educating their employees about the “rules” of engaging in social media warfare from work. Unless your title has “PR” or “Communications” in it, you should not be acknowledging, addressing, or engaging in any conversation about the brand you work for, period. When you do, it creates a shitstorm such as this one that has to be undone. I am sure the Burton PR girls are tearing their hair out over this fiasco, and I hope they recognize its more due to internal idiocy issues than the original blog post.

As a PR person myself, I have learned that you will NEVER be able to control the entire message. And when the message is negative, you can sometimes reroute it back into the right direction, but sometimes you just need to move on. Like you said, it would have just faded into oblivion and not many people would have read the original post anyways, if it werent for a bunch of Kool-Aid monkeys shouting propaganda in the comments section.

Entertaining…

liz added this brilliant insight on Oct 09 09 at 11:23 am

Great piece.

Unfortunately, this line is why so many companies forbid their employees from engaging others online:

“Instead of being a transparent, modern brand, Burton had its insiders posting anonymous hate comments all over YoBeat and Brooke’s blog. A great use of company time, and an obvious tarnish to the brand.”

I have no idea if Burton’s marketing dept. told internal employees to make negative posts (I doubt it) and those doing so probably thought it could never be traced back to Burlington.

Liz is right. In PR, you can’t fully control the message. Want to control something? Buy an ad.

Bill Byrne added this brilliant insight on Oct 09 09 at 2:49 pm

Bill and Liz, thanks for the great comments (with actual) identities attached.

I don’t mean to make at sound as though Burton intentionally had its Marketing Dept. spamming. In fact, I’m fairly certain there are at least one or two people there smarter than to let that happen.

Where they failed from a marketing and PR standpoint is not having educated (All) off its employees on modern media and social web relations. As embarrassing as it is to admit, most PR and Marketing people still don’t understand new media themselves, and they’re not versed in how to interact with these sorts of situations.

The fact that Burton’s higher ups in Marketing have not commented on any of this, on any of the outlets expressing concern, is an indicator of just how behind the times they are.

Modern PR is about interaction. They acted, and then failed to interact. Which is why this is still going, and why it’s brought so much attention!

jsouney added this brilliant insight on Oct 09 09 at 3:00 pm

Souney,

“As of 8:56pm this particular post has 93 views from Burton’s internal servers. So you’re right clearly they haven’t noticed.”

Burton is a small building with shitloads of people in it. It is like a highschool. WHen someone hears something shitty they will look into it. Its like a gossip forrest fire. Of these posts will generate a lot of traffic from Burton employees but it doesn’t mean they all feel the same way.

I too work at Burton and honestly, this hole mess is embarrassing. I like yobeat and thought the original post was just… funny.

I work at Burton because snowboarding is fun. I do NOT want to associate myself with what snowboarding is becoming, I want to lend a hand in saving it. But anyway, I just wanted to let you know that maybe 5-10 people at Burton were actually butthurt from the post. And that is being generous. I dont even know how many people work there either. 200 or 300 or so.

but yeah. this whole argument is just a bummer. not funny or entertaining. It doesnt even prove a point. Its shit talk. The same shit you will find at the bottom of Every youtube video ever posted. Its easy to talk shit when your not face to face. So when will it end?

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.... added this brilliant insight on Oct 09 09 at 4:06 pm

ps. I wish i could tell YOU who i am but I was being serious when I said Burton is like a high school sometimes. I just don’t want any added drama at work.

.... added this brilliant insight on Oct 09 09 at 4:10 pm

… agreed. It is a bummer.

I have actually emailed an offer to come out there and discuss on my own dime (which obviously would get documented though, I’m a media guy). I would LOVE to discuss face to face with Tomas and Jake as well, and consult the Marketing dept on how easily they could have rectified this. But they haven’t emailed back. A simple apology or phone call in the beginning might have been good PR policy.

But instead, they kept feeding it, and it’s awesome. Only unlike high school, the principle can’t step in and help the bully from getting his neck publicly rung.

Fortunately, we’ve decided to make all this worth Burton’s while, and are offering a free sticker promotion to the first 500 people who buy a snowboard through the end of November that’s not a Burton. More info on that here: http://www.jaredsouney.com/2009/10/buy-a-snowboard-get-free-stickers-as-long-as-its-not-a-burton/

jsouney added this brilliant insight on Oct 09 09 at 4:56 pm

Screen shot from this week’s google analytics showing the first two days of tracking on this post. Two days. And that’s just on this site. http://twitpic.com/l04jl

jsouney added this brilliant insight on Oct 10 09 at 3:20 pm

Right or wrong it has been quite entertaining. It’s not just Burton that has the high school mentality but the entire industry up and down. This type of bickering and hate has always been around, it just took longer to reach the readers / listeners. Internet blogs and social networks have exposed the beefs in realtime for anyone to join in. Its like a fight in high school that starts with two people and once the first punch is landed, everyone just starts hitting everyone!

Trevor Borrelli added this brilliant insight on Oct 10 09 at 5:55 pm

That is completely ridiculous that Burton did that.

Since they pulled the ad contract, couldn’t YoBeat put it back online?

Wanken added this brilliant insight on Oct 12 09 at 8:54 pm

Yeah, she put it back up last week with a new title: Wah, wah, wah, wah.

Awesome: http://www.yobeat.com/2009/10/jakes-fall-bash-recession-proof/

Jared added this brilliant insight on Oct 12 09 at 9:13 pm

That is awesome.

Wanken added this brilliant insight on Oct 13 09 at 2:06 pm

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Monoignoday added this brilliant insight on Oct 20 09 at 2:31 pm

Burton sux.

leo added this brilliant insight on Oct 28 09 at 2:38 pm

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